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GNOME 3.8 Released Featuring New "Classic" Mode 267

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Hot on the heels of the Gtk+ 3.8 release comes GNOME 3.8. There are a few general UI improvements, but the highlight for many is the new Classic mode that replaces fallback. Instead of using code based on the old GNOME panel, Classic emulates the feel of GNOME 2 through Shell extensions (just like Linux Mint's Cinnamon interface). From the release notes: "Classic mode is a new feature for those people who prefer a more traditional desktop experience. Built entirely from GNOME 3 technologies, it adds a number of features such as an application menu, a places menu and a window switcher along the bottom of the screen. Each of these features can be used individually or in combination with other GNOME extensions."
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GNOME 3.8 Released Featuring New "Classic" Mode

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  • idle curiosity (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wierd_w (1375923) on Thursday March 28, 2013 @05:46PM (#43307535)

    Personally, I wonder if there are any use metrics for Gnome3's default mode, vs running on fallback/classic.

    Personally, I can't stand either Unity or Gnome3-standard modes. One of the first things I do with Ubuntu boxes is nuke LightDM and Unity from orbit, and replace them with something less resembling a botched ST:NG computer interface. I actually happen to LIKE menus. That Gnome has listened to the sound of angry feet stampeding to XCFE and KDE over the issue makes me happier, but still displeased over the "No, we don't do it that way anymore, nanaananananannaa" mantra they were using for so long previously.

  • by shutdown -p now (807394) on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:42PM (#43307875) Journal

    They keep breaking keyboard switching every release. Here's the story in 3.6: [] []

    (If you read the comments, you'll see the usual attitude of Gnome devs - bilingual users who actually use this functionality are telling them that it's been broken, while devs who don't really use it but own it reply by coming up with invented reasons as to why the new behavior is the right thing, and everyone else should just shut up and learn it.)

    You'd think they would pay more attention to this area in the new release, but apparently they have emasculated [] (the official press release calls it "simplified", in the usual Gnome bullshit-speak) it even further in 3.8, and there are bugs reported about erratic behavior of the new switcher. All that because XKB is, apparently, not good enough anymore.

    With this kind of attitude towards their users (of which the above is but a single example), how come they still have any?

  • by AvitarX (172628) <me@brandywinEULE ... g minus math_god> on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:44PM (#43307879) Journal

    It's terrible with multi-monitor, relative to windows anyway.

    add an external monitor to my left, It's automatically the primary, my plasma desktop and panels resize and move to it to my left. Ok, fine, I add a new panel (i actually like one on each monitor), but when I remove the monitor, my panels stack on top of each other on the laptop (right). Now when I re add the external monitor I have 2 panels on the left, on top of each other.

    also, I've lost windows off screen and couldnt get them back on an unplug. It makes me miss windows.

  • by caseih (160668) on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:06PM (#43308005)

    One of the things in Gnome 2 that I rely on every day is the fact that in the pager applet, I can see the outlines of the windows on that desktop, and if the app is big enough, it's icon. This is invaluable feedback to me. I can tell at a glance where things are if I should forget. I typically never alter my desktops use, but it's nice to be able to see this. Cinnamon fails completely in this regard. It's pager is nothing but a dark square to identify which desktop I'm on. It gives no feed back other than this and may as well be just a number, which the screen shot of the new classic mode appears to do.

    If either Gnome classic or Cinnamon could do this one small thing, I'm ready to switch. Until then, It's still Mate for me. That and I really like the way I have compiz set up with Mate.

  • Re:Too late (Score:5, Interesting)

    by emblemparade (774653) on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:26PM (#43308117)

    Same here. Xfce is mature, and everything just works. I don't have time to beta-test in my everyday work.

    It's still impossible to do very essential things in GNOME Classic, such as moving the panels around or fully configuring them. So, in many ways GNOME 3 hasn't reached feature parity with GNOME 2 or Xfce.

    That said, it's really nice to see GNOME listening to users. An especially important part of GNOME 3.8, in my view, is that more options were added to the settings rather than removing them. This shows that the team really is trying to stabilize the core before adding more features, which is really the right way to go about things. I think in a few years GNOME 3 will be a great desktop, suitable for various work styles.

  • Re:idle curiosity (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wierd_w (1375923) on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:51PM (#43308247)

    While definately hyperbole, I think it aptly sums up the "level" of dissatisfaction I have for Unity and Gnome3, and similar "oh look! Great big icons, and obfuscated indicators of what's actually installed, forcing you to grasp blindly with a search dialog!" UIs.

    In other words, I have tried both, actually, earnestly, honestly tried them, and my passionate hatred of the paradigm they uphold only intensified the more I tried.

    Not all UIs are for everyone. Insisting that I don't like it "because you haven't tried it yet", or "because it's different, and if you just used it you would come to like it" are strawmen. I have tried them, for a 2 month trial window. I hate them. End of story. I LIKE menus. I LIKE having the option of turning them on, because I find them useful. I LIKE not being ridiculed for doing so. It is NOT hard to understand.

    As for why one would use a standard distro package and not a repacked themed hackjob? Really, do I actually need to answer that? Really? Ok, how about, "because the main distro has been vetted by more eyeballs, and has better user support by being more commonly used." Hmm? Maybe trying to get updated packages down the road is less of a headache with the main distribution pack? Naw.. that clearly isn't a good enough reason, I must totaly be an idiot instead.

  • Re:Cinnamon (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Lumpy (12016) on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:53PM (#43308265) Homepage

    It "just works" if you have 3d graphics hardware. It's useless on a toughbook. Unity is an epic failure that it requires a 3d acellerated video card.

  • by jedidiah (1196) on Thursday March 28, 2013 @08:03PM (#43308311) Homepage

    They may not be "innovative" enough but they are a hell of a lot more useful than all of the abortive attempts to ape MacOS.

    "Innovative" != useful.

  • by Forever Wondering (2506940) on Friday March 29, 2013 @03:01AM (#43309929)

    If Gnome 3.8 still has application popup windows that are "pinned" below the app's window bar, then it still reeks.

    This started at Gnome 3.0, and [as far as I can tell from a quick perusal of the source code] they removed the code [from metacity, mutter, gnome-whatever] that corresponded to the config option to allow these windows to float.

    For an example, play gnomines. When you complete a game, the popup comes up and obscures the top part of the board. You can't see your time [or a portion of the board]. This can't be overridden.

    As a far worse example, do an "open file" [ctrl-O] in Firefox. See how much information is obscured (tabs, toolbar, url, etc.).

    To remove working code that provided a useful option to force "A Brave New Paradigm" is just asinine.

The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell. -- Confucius